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European Unilateralism
From USA Today:
And without proof that Saddam Hussein’s regime is concealing banned weapons, it may not matter what United Nations weapons inspectors say about their search of Iraq in their status report Monday to the Security Council. The majority of Europeans say they want proof Iraq has biochemical or nuclear weapons, or they won’t support a war.
Considering that it’s a direct violation of Resolution 1441 to oppose military action after Saddam has shown himself to have not wholeheartedly cooperated, I am just shocked -shocked!- that they would go against the wishes of the Security Council.
The price for going to war without the approval of France, Germany and others would probably be a further cooling of ties already strained by trade disputes and differences over the environment and human rights issues.
That will be a price paid more acutely on Europe’s side by about tenfold.
about equal probability.he revealed himself to be a seriously dishonest debater (that, or he was so stupid that it wouldn't be safe for him to
we could go and stop the Soviets and all their expansionist hijinks, but then we'd like, have to go all the way over to
he is willing to act aggressively and recklessly and cannot be reasonably deterred and 2) is working to get and use nukes
During the last half of the 20th century, this principle was expanded internationally through the United Nations. The U.N.
But anyway, right there you've got yourself eight nations total in the coalition, hailing from North America, both western
really just put Saddam in a better situation than he was before because the presence of inspectors invites complacency and
world that even today harbors and offers succor to the same groups that piloted the 9/11 planes, right?
curiosity that trumps any sort of legal resriction placed on him, but it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that he's
so that he will be better equipped to fulfill point 1). Show me another nation that's like that today.
have democratically elected rulers I'm sure doesn't throw any flies into your ointment.
Well I wouldn't be surprised if this Wednesday at Sproul there will be similar behavior, and I plan to be there. Maybe
You try to make it seem as if the Joint Chiefs were lying around on a Sunday afternoon and said to themselves, "Yeah sure,
When I first heard about the bombing in Bali, my initial reaction was, "Another terrorist attack? Well, of course."
by both Instapundit and Cold Fury (and probably by sundry others by now):
Well I'm far far far too petty a person to do that.
that extended anger and sadness bring, or maybe even from just the fact that my threshold of human suffering sufficient
destroying the technological infrastructure of Western civilization again. And it's only 3 months away!
nothing may stand in our way!
looks like a green light, no?
To quote a boozed up, cynical and misanthropic individual whom I greatly admire: "Making fun of these people is like
serves? As far as I can tell, all they did was take some people who were probably overwhelmingly against the war anyway,
By tossing out any reasonable standards of evidence as a prerequisite for military action, the White House puts us in a state
agree that [insert additional badly-forced car metaphor here]!
that I hadn't thought of it first!
The experience made me think of the instructions from all corners of the media after 9/11 that what we, as Americans,
that off my list of things to do. Now, on to learning how to square-dance."
Finally, long after the fad has grown tiresome, everyone's attention turns to another scrap of dogma for the next decade.
Another Australian tourist, 18-year-old Rachel Hughes, said she and her boyfriend had just arrived in Kuta when the blast
, "I don't believe the American people support this war. Everyone I've talked to is against it!"
Eventually he got a little ticked off and said roughly, "Get away from me!" I was hungrily anticipating the energetic dissenter
really just put Saddam in a better situation than he was before because the presence of inspectors invites complacency and
50 Ways to Leave Your Folly Common Dreams, that goldmine of general silliness, showcases this piece, The Folly of Pre-emptive
democratically decided laws - - not the capriciousness of individual rulers -- should govern human affairs.
to really concern yourself with, except in a somewhat general, theoretical way.
"The lethal combination is when you exploit both people and technology," Mr Mitnick told BBC News Online.
the efforts to find these people and eradicate them, to ferret them out from their cowardly hiding places and vaporize
alternative economy." I suppose that's better PR than saying they want to impose a grab bag full of sociialistic silliness
a representative of Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, was quoted as saying.
US: Italy, Australia, Poland, Spain, Qatar, Kuwait and, of course, Britain. I know it's hard to find out this kind of
"The lethal combination is when you exploit both people and technology," Mr Mitnick told BBC News Online.
"I said it's being taken care of, dammit. Mind your own business."
alternative economy." I suppose that's better PR than saying they want to impose a grab bag full of sociialistic silliness
Stand up to these thugs This Wednesday, the 16th at noon, an apparent composite of the Students for Justice in Palestine
President Bush says he wants to avoid "a future of fear." It's an admirable goal, but one hardly served by this new doctrine.
rather than submit to infamy or see those that are dear to him suffer wrong.
faith at large, since many of them are peaceful, albeit intellectually stunted, people.
a terrorist and an envoy of Iran's supreme leader reportedly called for his death.
Don't you people ever get tired of just pulling shit out of your asses?
cause, but I,
act such as this. In a few days or weeks, I'm sure it will subside to a colder, more focused resolution to continue to
50 Ways to Leave Your Folly Common Dreams, that goldmine of general silliness, showcases this piece, The Folly of Pre-emptive
Iranian cleric Mohsen Mojtahed Shabestari, addressing weekly Friday prayers in the northwestern town of Tabriz, said
At the very least, don't let me hear any of these things when you're standing in my presence, unless you want a faceful
let you know when there's a mushroom cloud over New York, because that's the only "final proof" that seems to be able to
the teacher trying to impress both of them.
that blatantly called for some rhetorical bitch-slapping.
When I first heard about the bombing in Bali, my initial reaction was, "Another terrorist attack? Well, of course."
I don't know about you people, but I'm already stocking up on extra food, water, and electrons.
I guess not. The fact that the UN is anything but democratic since the vast majority of countries represented there do not
I'll get a chance to ask why they've been glorifying images of Hamas murderers on their flyers.
You try to make it seem as if the Joint Chiefs were lying around on a Sunday afternoon and said to themselves, "Yeah sure,
course grew out of the experience of 9/11.
attack against the United States. Even though President Bush acknowledged in his speech that Iraq does not currently
Well I'm far far far too petty a person to do that.
world that even today harbors and offers succor to the same groups that piloted the 9/11 planes, right?
Either that, or I now have to admit the existence of clairvoyance.
You mean everyone in America aren't like San Franciscans?
coming off them. It was really a terrible sight," she said. "You could just hear people crying up in the Bounty foyer -
information with your heads crammed so far up your asses, so I'll give you a pass.
Those people are especially useful when they have access to the core computer systems that hackers would otherwise struggle
way why we're doing all of this, and why, if they still choose to berate us about "root causes" and "birds coming home
democratically decided laws - - not the capriciousness of individual rulers -- should govern human affairs.
I see. Did you talk to this "everyone" at your International Socialist Organization direct action planning seminar or
However, several of the exchanges I have had have definately been with those you might describe as "challeneged" in
assures everyone that "Don't worry, the problem is being taking care of by the inspectors."
So welcome. If this is the first and/or only post you can see, it means I haven't imported my archives from Blogspot yet,
that boiled up to the surface when I read things like this.
the way. Apparently that wasn't enough for the however, because they then started pulling at her legs to keep her from
The book details the ways that employees can inadvertently leak information that can be exploited by hackers to compromise
Hey, didn't there used to be a city where this smoking crater is?
War, by three fellows that hail from Global Exchange. You know who I'm talking about. The folks that want to "build an
why she thought there weren't more stories about protests going on in the news, "Well, because the media is corporately
What it does not mean however, is that this suddenly signals that we are going to be going after China, Saudi Arabia, Cuba
we despise no less the coward and the voluptuary. No man is worth calling a man who will not fight
who has been deprived of food for at least 6 hours - sounds like an unusually cruel thing to do, I know, but I'm sure
of a lack of imagination or basic humanity; the fact that it's difficult for me to feel deeply for people suffering unless
Stand up to these thugs This Wednesday, the 16th at noon, an apparent composite of the Students for Justice in Palestine
lying in order to gain information that gave him access to restricted systems.
have democratically elected rulers I'm sure doesn't throw any flies into your ointment.
Well, being the abject conformist that I am, I would like to welcome all new and oldcomers to my new blog, which will
Falwell was a "mercenary and must be killed," the Farsi-language daily Abrar reported Saturday.
care. Just don't let me hear anything about how this bombing that specifically targeted Australian civilians was somehow
of righteousness; and it becomes a very evil thing if it serves merely as a mask for cowardice and
In your face, Space Coyote!
that blatantly called for some rhetorical bitch-slapping.
go it alone. What he failed to do was tell us who the members of his war coalition are. Why? Because there is no coalition.
Such as this quote by Teddy Roosevelt concerning his acceptance of the Nobel Peace Prize, posted now
I'm going to be checking the weather channel for reports of snowflakes in Hell, but meanwhile you should go read it now.
vulnerability.
that off my list of things to do. Now, on to learning how to square-dance."
rivals.
the Feds know about it.
or any other simply crappy country in the world, because none of them satisfy both those propositions.
rather than submit to infamy or see those that are dear to him suffer wrong.
fact that these people are thugs, bullies and liars.
hacky-sack?"
so that he will be better equipped to fulfill point 1). Show me another nation that's like that today.
of righteousness; and it becomes a very evil thing if it serves merely as a mask for cowardice and
predictable frequency. Follow a politician to a school photo-op,
That is, until this morning. Now I'm glad to say that I've gotten over getting over it, and am thoroughly pissed again.
Bush also spoke of an "international coalition" that would disarm Hussein. Bush knows the American public is loathe to
I don't know about you people, but I'm already stocking up on extra food, water, and electrons.
conflict.
vulnerability.
something-really-awfuls, BlogSpot.
Please. I can't swing around a dead Saddam on a rope without hitting this argument these days. At bottom, it's a slippery
Falwell was a "mercenary and must be killed," the Farsi-language daily Abrar reported Saturday.
Such as this quote by Teddy Roosevelt concerning his acceptance of the Nobel Peace Prize, posted now
President Bush says he wants to avoid "a future of fear." It's an admirable goal, but one hardly served by this new doctrine.
find testimonials to diversity. Flip through any recent social sciences or humanities textbook and diversity pops up with
without regard to whether the loss is due to the growth of a heartless and all-absorbing commercialism,
You try to make it seem as if the Joint Chiefs were lying around on a Sunday afternoon and said to themselves, "Yeah sure,
You mean everyone in America aren't like San Franciscans?
After 3000 of your countrymen die in a couple hours, anything less than that is wont to be downplayed in significance
I'm going to be checking the weather channel for reports of snowflakes in Hell, but meanwhile you should go read it now.
We despise and abhor the bully, the brawler, the oppressor, whether in private or public life, but
to elicit empathy had been raised considerably since 9/11,
one of the most fad-driven enterprises imaginable. It produces a new catechism each decade, which everyone dutifully recites.
lap dance.
occurred, smashing the window of their hotel room.
off a bunch of secretaries and other office workers who probably agree with them on the war anyway will further their
For that reason and others, I didn't actually start reading the news coverage until this morning.
jerkwad I encounter, an order for them to be beheaded with extreme prejudice until the the point at which they are dead
who like to chant slogans and can't come up with any better rhyme than something that has to do with the number "four" and "war."
It may be a sad illustration of my lack to find sympathy within myself without reading descriptions or seeing pictures,
so that he will be better equipped to fulfill point 1). Show me another nation that's like that today.
, "I don't believe the American people support this war. Everyone I've talked to is against it!"
Maybe I can't change the fact that I have to be intimately confronted with the death and pain in order to really feel the
You must be triple jointed to be able to twist words like that.
fact that these people are thugs, bullies and liars.
Please. I can't swing around a dead Saddam on a rope without hitting this argument these days. At bottom, it's a slippery
the Feds know about it.
by both Instapundit and Cold Fury (and probably by sundry others by now):
President Bush says he wants to avoid "a future of fear." It's an admirable goal, but one hardly served by this new doctrine.
Well I wouldn't be surprised if this Wednesday at Sproul there will be similar behavior, and I plan to be there. Maybe
that off my list of things to do. Now, on to learning how to square-dance."
I figured that was the way to go. But then I read this.
Anyway, take the new site for a test drive. Take her easy on the clutch and go steady on the hills, and I think you'll
so that he will be better equipped to fulfill point 1). Show me another nation that's like that today.
I'm going to be checking the weather channel for reports of snowflakes in Hell, but meanwhile you should go read it now.
we despise no less the coward and the voluptuary. No man is worth calling a man who will not fight
Hesiod over at Counterspin Central is one such fellow. Not only with myself, but in his conversations with Den Beste,
So welcome. If this is the first and/or only post you can see, it means I haven't imported my archives from Blogspot yet,
Really, how often is someone able to so perfectly crystallize the dilemmas that will exist a century in the future
occurred, smashing the window of their hotel room.
or any other simply crappy country in the world, because none of them satisfy both those propositions.
To quote a boozed up, cynical and misanthropic individual whom I greatly admire: "Making fun of these people is like
"to prolonged indulgence in luxury and soft, effortless ease, or to the deification of a warped and twisted sentimentality"?
we could go and stop the Soviets and all their expansionist hijinks, but then we'd like, have to go all the way over to
Why are you still here?!
Don't you people ever get tired of just pulling shit out of your asses?
I mean come on, when you're arguing with someone who's just going to call you a Nazi when you spend 2,000 words making
we despise no less the coward and the voluptuary. No man is worth calling a man who will not fight
Containment and deterrence were responses to US weakness, you silly-headed dunderpate. It was obvious that using direct
My sentences, thus decreed, will be subsequently carried out by my elite brigade of Beheading Gnomes, whom I made up
go it alone. What he failed to do was tell us who the members of his war coalition are. Why? Because there is no coalition.
and the decisions to do so would based on (as in this case) measured calculations of the relative benefits and costs,
by both Instapundit and Cold Fury (and probably by sundry others by now):
side of the political spectrum... what are they called?
predictable frequency. Follow a politician to a school photo-op,
to prolonged indulgence in luxury and soft, effortless ease, or to the deification of a warped and twisted sentimentality.
Shiite Muslim clerics in Lebanon and Iran have reacted with rage at the Rev. Jerry Falwell for calling Islam's prophet
agree that [insert additional badly-forced car metaphor here]!
Already, even if the UN thumbs its irrelevant nose at the idea of going after Iraq (and if it actually does, then they'll
I'm going to be checking the weather channel for reports of snowflakes in Hell, but meanwhile you should go read it now.
vaunted proof of yours. Then you could be really sure.
military action to counter the Soviet threat was not possible, because of their equal capacity to destroy us through
faith at large, since many of them are peaceful, albeit intellectually stunted, people.
When I first heard about the bombing in Bali, my initial reaction was, "Another terrorist attack? Well, of course."
not just "fear," as if we're going to indiscriminantly nuke the floor under our beds because monsters might be hiding there.
you could see stink lines of self-satisfaction coming off her so that he could simply get to his job. She of course started
needed now was healing, closure; in short, to "get over it" and "move on."
(or to have their genitalia eviscerated by a rabid Rosie O'Donnell
Saddam will use these nukes when he gets them, whether that use takes the form of vaporizing a city or merely being hung
of a lack of imagination or basic humanity; the fact that it's difficult for me to feel deeply for people suffering unless
Kevin Mitnick will be able to use a computer again in approximately 3 months.
only be revealed as more useless than it already seems), there is right now a coalition prepared to go into Iraq with the
And at most, UN weapons inspectors have delayed conflict by a few years, not averted it. In actualyity, I think they have
"What I found personally to be true was that it's easier to manipulate people rather than technology," he said.
world that even today harbors and offers succor to the same groups that piloted the 9/11 planes, right?
that has the temerity to look at us cock-eyed.
why she thought there weren't more stories about protests going on in the news, "Well, because the media is corporately
attack against the United States. Even though President Bush acknowledged in his speech that Iraq does not currently
needed now was healing, closure; in short, to "get over it" and "move on."
predictable frequency. Follow a politician to a school photo-op,
Saddam will use these nukes when he gets them, whether that use takes the form of vaporizing a city or merely being hung
the world to stomach the imperial scent of our newly enunciated military doctrine that proposes pre- emption of any powerful
Watching Channel 7 news today (the Simpsons were in a commercial), they reported on a wad of dingbats who blocked access
only be revealed as more useless than it already seems), there is right now a coalition prepared to go into Iraq with the
anger that is so justifiable -no, demanded- by these despicable acts, but if that must be the case, then from on, I'll be
to get a good smack upside the head (or as I call it, a "hippie hello"), but that was apparently too much for the niggardly
Heaven forfend them not being on board with us!
But for now if you all don't mind, I'd just like to stew in my rage for a while, and remind myself in a truly visceral
One middle-aged woman who looked like she hadn't combed her hair since Jerry Garcia died had this to say, when asked
by both Instapundit and Cold Fury (and probably by sundry others by now):
President Bush says he wants to avoid "a future of fear." It's an admirable goal, but one hardly served by this new doctrine.
trying to get an education
that off my list of things to do. Now, on to learning how to square-dance."
I figured that was the way to go. But then I read this.
to make the first world poor and make sure the third world stays that way.
when you apply your own internal calculus of death and suffering and conclude that it isn't something that you need
Now at this point, most people would just say, "let it go, and move on."
No nation deserves to exist if it permits itself to lose the stern and virile virtues; and this
military action to counter the Soviet threat was not possible, because of their equal capacity to destroy us through
just now. Admittedly they do face significant challenges in carrying out their duties due to their imaginary nature,
In theory, I was of course angry, but I had a vaguely detatched sense about the whole thing. A large part of that of
University or Diversity
cause, but I,
needed now was healing, closure; in short, to "get over it" and "move on."
who has been deprived of food for at least 6 hours - sounds like an unusually cruel thing to do, I know, but I'm sure
I strongly suspect TR had access to some sort of time machine and traveled into the furture about a hundred years.
I wish that I could just be told "Hundreds of people died in a terrorist bombing today," and instantly feel the kind of rage
Kevin Mitnick will be able to use a computer again in approximately 3 months.
"A bunch of people died from terrorism over the weekend? Sure, that's awful, but we all knew this was going to happen
making a point of reading in depth about any such future atrocity to ensure that I don't allow myself to be instantly "over it."
to get a good smack upside the head (or as I call it, a "hippie hello"), but that was apparently too much for the niggardly
Heaven forfend them not being on board with us!
But for now if you all don't mind, I'd just like to stew in my rage for a while, and remind myself in a truly visceral
the Feds know about it.
coming off them. It was really a terrible sight," she said. "You could just hear people crying up in the Bounty foyer -
Mr Mitnick even had to get permission from his probation officer to use a computer to write his book, The Art Of Deception,
Well I wouldn't be surprised if this Wednesday at Sproul there will be similar behavior, and I plan to be there. Maybe
Saddam will use these nukes when he gets them, whether that use takes the form of vaporizing a city or merely being hung
the world to stomach the imperial scent of our newly enunciated military doctrine that proposes pre- emption of any powerful
nothing may stand in our way!
Already, even if the UN thumbs its irrelevant nose at the idea of going after Iraq (and if it actually does, then they'll
conflict.
to get a good smack upside the head (or as I call it, a "hippie hello"), but that was apparently too much for the niggardly
be replacing the old site that was hosted on that evil of evils, that bane of banes, that something-really-awful of
way why we're doing all of this, and why, if they still choose to berate us about "root causes" and "birds coming home
the Feds know about it.
So seeing as how we've got massive approval from the House of Representatives and similar support in the senate is likely,
Well that's not really true. People on a different side of the debate than I are not necessarily jerks, just wrong.
and that it wasn't fair for these people to stop them, the girl started literally screaming at her about selfish she was.
them into a thin paste of protein on a cave wall, to wipe out every last vestige of the disgusting stain they have left
I figured that was the way to go. But then I read this.
But it's not really fair to denigrate someone's ideas just because they themselves come from an organization riddled with
of the mass moron movement.
Wheeler Hall last spring.
rather than submit to infamy or see those that are dear to him suffer wrong.
use grown-up scissors), but nevertheless, even though he really didn't deserve it,
50 Ways to Leave Your Folly Common Dreams, that goldmine of general silliness, showcases this piece, The Folly of Pre-emptive
Quite the contrary, Bush's aggressive rhetoric, disregard for international law, and his lack of any vision other than war
University or Diversity
of righteousness; and it becomes a very evil thing if it serves merely as a mask for cowardice and
needed now was healing, closure; in short, to "get over it" and "move on."
(or to have their genitalia eviscerated by a rabid Rosie O'Donnell
Saddam will use these nukes when he gets them, whether that use takes the form of vaporizing a city or merely being hung
a terrorist and an envoy of Iran's supreme leader reportedly called for his death.
to the San Francisco federal building to protest the passage of Bush's resolution for action against Iraq.
only be revealed as more useless than it already seems), there is right now a coalition prepared to go into Iraq with the
I guess not. The fact that the UN is anything but democratic since the vast majority of countries represented there do not
"The lethal combination is when you exploit both people and technology," Mr Mitnick told BBC News Online.
being the reaction described above.
The fact that this is being published in the Chronicle is no small feat. Even more reason for you to go read it.
the Feds know about it.
So seeing as how we've got massive approval from the House of Representatives and similar support in the senate is likely,
for the life of me, cannot see it. The news showed a clip of a guy trying politely to walk around a woman so self-righteous
In your face, Space Coyote!
on the civilized world. And when I resort again to that frame of mind, it will be because I realize, intellectually and
When they aired some actual interviews with the protesters, I started to honestly think they were part of some sort of
economic stupidity, especially when their ideas would do such a better job of it by themselves. Case in point:
If and when you find one, that means that I'll be perfectly willing to advocate an attack against them as well.
a careful, precise argument, what point is there in engaging them verbally anymore?
"The lethal combination is when you exploit both people and technology," Mr Mitnick told BBC News Online.
That is, until this morning. Now I'm glad to say that I've gotten over getting over it, and am thoroughly pissed again.
just now. Admittedly they do face significant challenges in carrying out their duties due to their imaginary nature,
When I first heard about the bombing in Bali, my initial reaction was, "Another terrorist attack? Well, of course."
looks like a green light, no?
you could see stink lines of self-satisfaction coming off her so that he could simply get to his job. She of course started
needed now was healing, closure; in short, to "get over it" and "move on."
who has been deprived of food for at least 6 hours - sounds like an unusually cruel thing to do, I know, but I'm sure
who like to chant slogans and can't come up with any better rhyme than something that has to do with the number "four" and "war."
One of the great advances of the modern era has been the spread of the rule of law. This is the now common idea that
so that he will be better equipped to fulfill point 1). Show me another nation that's like that today.
the All Men Are Rapists self defense workshop? Surely that must be a representative sample of the country!
have democratically elected rulers I'm sure doesn't throw any flies into your ointment.
he revealed himself to be a seriously dishonest debater (that, or he was so stupid that it wouldn't be safe for him to
fact that these people are thugs, bullies and liars.
to roost," those sniveling, carping appeasers,
and the decisions to do so would based on (as in this case) measured calculations of the relative benefits and costs,
by both Instapundit and Cold Fury (and probably by sundry others by now):
Well that's not really true. People on a different side of the debate than I are not necessarily jerks, just wrong.
who has been deprived of food for at least 6 hours - sounds like an unusually cruel thing to do, I know, but I'm sure
Saddam will use these nukes when he gets them, whether that use takes the form of vaporizing a city or merely being hung
Russia and shit. Besides, it's just the Russians. Why don't we just contain them or something? Hey, who's up for some
agree that [insert additional badly-forced car metaphor here]!
"A bunch of people died from terrorism over the weekend? Sure, that's awful, but we all knew this was going to happen
Well I'm far far far too petty a person to do that.
No nation deserves to exist if it permits itself to lose the stern and virile virtues; and this
nuclear weapons. Containment was born out of a realization that we were effectively restrained by our lack of strategic
alternative economy." I suppose that's better PR than saying they want to impose a grab bag full of sociialistic silliness
When I first heard about the bombing in Bali, my initial reaction was, "Another terrorist attack? Well, of course."
that I hadn't thought of it first!
sloth, or as an instrument to further the ends of despotism or anarchy.
and eastern Europe, Australia and the middle east. Is that not multilateralism?
the teacher trying to impress both of them.
over the heads of the world's nations as threat so that he can act willy-nilly in whatever new adventure captures his
Falwell was a "mercenary and must be killed," the Farsi-language daily Abrar reported Saturday.
Kevin Mitnick will be able to use a computer again in approximately 3 months.
only be revealed as more useless than it already seems), there is right now a coalition prepared to go into Iraq with the
jerkwad I encounter, an order for them to be beheaded with extreme prejudice until the the point at which they are dead
serves? As far as I can tell, all they did was take some people who were probably overwhelmingly against the war anyway,
something-really-awfuls, BlogSpot.
way why we're doing all of this, and why, if they still choose to berate us about "root causes" and "birds coming home
owned," she pontificated, in that snotty "52% of my clothes are made of hemp which therefore makes me morally superior
Peace is generally good in itself, but it is never the highest good unless it comes as the handmaid
However, several of the exchanges I have had have definately been with those you might describe as "challeneged" in
Well I wouldn't be surprised if this Wednesday at Sproul there will be similar behavior, and I plan to be there. Maybe
last update : 7-2-2012
