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More on Powell’s Speech
I was also struck by how forceful and unambiguous he sounded in pressing the need for going after Hussein now! And it leaves me curious as to how much of his anti-war, pro-UN rhetoric of the past was a ruse to set up the rhetorical impact of the trusted US dove morphing into a blazing hawk sharpening its talons before the eyes of the UN.
Don’t get me wrong, like everyone else I still think Powell is easily the most dove-ish of Bush’s inner circle, but perhaps some of his rhetoric in the last few weeks strayed further into the anti-war camp deliberately?
If only Nixon could make peace with China, then surely only Powell could sell war to the UN.
CNN has an as-of-this-writing unfinished transcription of Powell’s speech here, but they seem to be zooming through fairly quickly. Keep checking it for updates.
Update: The Russian foreign minister says we should give the inspectors more time for now because the inspections are “working”. Did anyone check to see if he slept through Powell’s speech?Update: The full text of Powell’s speech is available via the White House here
I see. Did you talk to this "everyone" at your International Socialist Organization direct action planning seminar or
coming off them. It was really a terrible sight," she said. "You could just hear people crying up in the Bounty foyer -
But I am thankful that at least for now, I've been able to summon that deep-seated, personal wrath so appropriate to an
faith at large, since many of them are peaceful, albeit intellectually stunted, people.
Anyway, take the new site for a test drive. Take her easy on the clutch and go steady on the hills, and I think you'll
why she thought there weren't more stories about protests going on in the news, "Well, because the media is corporately
of righteousness; and it becomes a very evil thing if it serves merely as a mask for cowardice and
No nation deserves to exist if it permits itself to lose the stern and virile virtues; and this
one of the most fad-driven enterprises imaginable. It produces a new catechism each decade, which everyone dutifully recites.
agree that [insert additional badly-forced car metaphor here]!
coming off them. It was really a terrible sight," she said. "You could just hear people crying up in the Bounty foyer -
Diversity. More than motherhood, it is the one unassailable concept these days. Open any teaching publication, and you will
Also, I've printed out and made a bunch of copies of some flyers from this site and will be passing them out.
I figured that was the way to go. But then I read this.
course grew out of the experience of 9/11.
has been built up around Mitnick, a basically curious guy who just as often used old face-to-face (or voice-to-voice)
we despise no less the coward and the voluptuary. No man is worth calling a man who will not fight
If a good education is meant to produce independent thinkers, I've seen precious little evidence it does. Education is
rivals.
Stand up to these thugs This Wednesday, the 16th at noon, an apparent composite of the Students for Justice in Palestine
side of the political spectrum... what are they called?
computer systems.
By tossing out any reasonable standards of evidence as a prerequisite for military action, the White House puts us in a state
alternative economy." I suppose that's better PR than saying they want to impose a grab bag full of sociialistic silliness
University or Diversity
getting an education. When she tried to talk to one of the organizers after her test about how some people were just
Hesiod over at Counterspin Central is one such fellow. Not only with myself, but in his conversations with Den Beste,
I strongly suspect TR had access to some sort of time machine and traveled into the furture about a hundred years.
You mean everyone in America aren't like San Franciscans?
looks like a green light, no?
To quote a boozed up, cynical and misanthropic individual whom I greatly admire: "Making fun of these people is like
military action to counter the Soviet threat was not possible, because of their equal capacity to destroy us through
Either that, or I now have to admit the existence of clairvoyance.
Kevin Mitnick will be able to use a computer again in approximately 3 months.
Peace is generally good in itself, but it is never the highest good unless it comes as the handmaid
find testimonials to diversity. Flip through any recent social sciences or humanities textbook and diversity pops up with
being the reaction described above.
"approach parody" is too mild. They sprinted towards parody, jumped on top of it and proceded to give parody a spirited
At the very least, don't let me hear any of these things when you're standing in my presence, unless you want a faceful
of righteousness; and it becomes a very evil thing if it serves merely as a mask for cowardice and
needed now was healing, closure; in short, to "get over it" and "move on."
Those people are especially useful when they have access to the core computer systems that hackers would otherwise struggle
to roost," those sniveling, carping appeasers,
Sure, it'd be nice to be a leader...
Now at this point, most people would just say, "let it go, and move on."
And perhaps because of the collective weight of all those accumulated exhortations, perhaps from the psychic weariness
superiority.
Quite the contrary, Bush's aggressive rhetoric, disregard for international law, and his lack of any vision other than war
off a bunch of secretaries and other office workers who probably agree with them on the war anyway will further their
anger that is so justifiable -no, demanded- by these despicable acts, but if that must be the case, then from on, I'll be
In your face, Space Coyote!
we could go and stop the Soviets and all their expansionist hijinks, but then we'd like, have to go all the way over to
In theory, I was of course angry, but I had a vaguely detatched sense about the whole thing. A large part of that of
off a bunch of secretaries and other office workers who probably agree with them on the war anyway will further their
I guess not. The fact that the UN is anything but democratic since the vast majority of countries represented there do not
I'll get a chance to ask why they've been glorifying images of Hamas murderers on their flyers.
we could go and stop the Soviets and all their expansionist hijinks, but then we'd like, have to go all the way over to
In theory, I was of course angry, but I had a vaguely detatched sense about the whole thing. A large part of that of
off a bunch of secretaries and other office workers who probably agree with them on the war anyway will further their
making a point of reading in depth about any such future atrocity to ensure that I don't allow myself to be instantly "over it."
who has been deprived of food for at least 6 hours - sounds like an unusually cruel thing to do, I know, but I'm sure
of a lack of imagination or basic humanity; the fact that it's difficult for me to feel deeply for people suffering unless
owned," she pontificated, in that snotty "52% of my clothes are made of hemp which therefore makes me morally superior
or any other simply crappy country in the world, because none of them satisfy both those propositions.
vaunted proof of yours. Then you could be really sure.
she can last 6 hours). I make this declaration keeping in mind that this does not imply a judgement on the Idiotarian
I wish that I could just be told "Hundreds of people died in a terrorist bombing today," and instantly feel the kind of rage
and the UC Divestment folks will be holding a rally for what looks like the primary purpose of protesting the fact that
For that reason and others, I didn't actually start reading the news coverage until this morning.
"The lethal combination is when you exploit both people and technology," Mr Mitnick told BBC News Online.
I strongly suspect TR had access to some sort of time machine and traveled into the furture about a hundred years.
You mean everyone in America aren't like San Franciscans?
"Standing in the foyer of the Bounty Hotel, people were just walking in, blood dripping off them, burns to their face, skin
trying to get an education
military action to counter the Soviet threat was not possible, because of their equal capacity to destroy us through
Either that, or I now have to admit the existence of clairvoyance.
care. Just don't let me hear anything about how this bombing that specifically targeted Australian civilians was somehow
Yes, well I suppose you're suggesting that we would be well-served to wait for this "final proof," then? Very well. I'll
So I hereby declare myself Ayatollah Mustardah of Blogistan. From this day forward, I will call down, on any Idiotarian
Heaven forfend them not being on board with us!
"approach parody" is too mild. They sprinted towards parody, jumped on top of it and proceded to give parody a spirited
of the mass moron movement.
Yes, well I suppose you're suggesting that we would be well-served to wait for this "final proof," then? Very well. I'll
find testimonials to diversity. Flip through any recent social sciences or humanities textbook and diversity pops up with
being the reaction described above.
curiosity that trumps any sort of legal resriction placed on him, but it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that he's
of the mass moron movement.
sloth, or as an instrument to further the ends of despotism or anarchy.
(or to have their genitalia eviscerated by a rabid Rosie O'Donnell
fact that these people are thugs, bullies and liars.
Meanwhile, the fact that we are able to use pre-emptive action when deemed necessary is a fact of our strength, not weakness
Already, even if the UN thumbs its irrelevant nose at the idea of going after Iraq (and if it actually does, then they'll
for the life of me, cannot see it. The news showed a clip of a guy trying politely to walk around a woman so self-righteous
but I hope to do that soon. I also hope to win the Nobel Prize in Kickboxing, and judge each of those things to be of
not just "fear," as if we're going to indiscriminantly nuke the floor under our beds because monsters might be hiding there.
The BBC has a story about the so-called "master hacker", in which it does a good job of destroying the mythos that
hunting dairy cows with a high-powered rifle and scope."
No nation deserves to exist if it permits itself to lose the stern and virile virtues; and this
that blatantly called for some rhetorical bitch-slapping.
It is time for a new day to dawn in the Blogosphere, my gnome brothers. A glorious day. A day when no longer will we
After 3000 of your countrymen die in a couple hours, anything less than that is wont to be downplayed in significance
During the last half of the 20th century, this principle was expanded internationally through the United Nations. The U.N.
The book details the ways that employees can inadvertently leak information that can be exploited by hackers to compromise
I finally went and did it.
"to prolonged indulgence in luxury and soft, effortless ease, or to the deification of a warped and twisted sentimentality"?
a terrorist and an envoy of Iran's supreme leader reportedly called for his death.
nothing may stand in our way!
I mean come on, when you're arguing with someone who's just going to call you a Nazi when you spend 2,000 words making
satisfy you. I'd be much more amendable to the idea however if you were willing to be a personal eye-witness to this
to elicit empathy had been raised considerably since 9/11,
If a good education is meant to produce independent thinkers, I've seen precious little evidence it does. Education is
curiosity that trumps any sort of legal resriction placed on him, but it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that he's
...but there's no shame in being a follower when those you're following make such damn good points.
or any other simply crappy country in the world, because none of them satisfy both those propositions.
A taste, just a taste...
Saddam is so hot to get his grubby hands on nukes is enough evidence of aggression. What's he going to do with them once
That is, until this morning. Now I'm glad to say that I've gotten over getting over it, and am thoroughly pissed again.
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the Feds know about it.
of righteousness; and it becomes a very evil thing if it serves merely as a mask for cowardice and
side of the political spectrum... what are they called?
In your face, Space Coyote!
Saddam will use these nukes when he gets them, whether that use takes the form of vaporizing a city or merely being hung
rivals.
Kevin Mitnick will be able to use a computer again in approximately 3 months.
only be revealed as more useless than it already seems), there is right now a coalition prepared to go into Iraq with the
I guess not. The fact that the UN is anything but democratic since the vast majority of countries represented there do not
Hesiod over at Counterspin Central is one such fellow. Not only with myself, but in his conversations with Den Beste,
something-really-awfuls, BlogSpot.
Bush also spoke of an "international coalition" that would disarm Hussein. Bush knows the American public is loathe to
"The death of that man is a religious duty, but his case should not be tied to the Christian community," Shabestari,
off a bunch of secretaries and other office workers who probably agree with them on the war anyway will further their
To quote a boozed up, cynical and misanthropic individual whom I greatly admire: "Making fun of these people is like
really just put Saddam in a better situation than he was before because the presence of inspectors invites complacency and
being the reaction described above.
both at home and abroad, can go heartily fuck themselves, or jump off a cliff, or shoot themselves in the head. I don't
why she thought there weren't more stories about protests going on in the news, "Well, because the media is corporately
by both Instapundit and Cold Fury (and probably by sundry others by now):
Well that's not really true. People on a different side of the debate than I are not necessarily jerks, just wrong.
predictable frequency. Follow a politician to a school photo-op,
Saddam will use these nukes when he gets them, whether that use takes the form of vaporizing a city or merely being hung
Replace "powerful" with "crazy and armed with nukes" and you'd be right. Otherwise, your statement is nonsense.
I don't know about you people, but I'm already stocking up on extra food, water, and electrons.
, "I don't believe the American people support this war. Everyone I've talked to is against it!"
I guess not. The fact that the UN is anything but democratic since the vast majority of countries represented there do not
Containment and deterrence were responses to US weakness, you silly-headed dunderpate. It was obvious that using direct
something-really-awfuls, BlogSpot.
way why we're doing all of this, and why, if they still choose to berate us about "root causes" and "birds coming home
and the decisions to do so would based on (as in this case) measured calculations of the relative benefits and costs,
by both Instapundit and Cold Fury (and probably by sundry others by now):
side of the political spectrum... what are they called?
predictable frequency. Follow a politician to a school photo-op,
to prolonged indulgence in luxury and soft, effortless ease, or to the deification of a warped and twisted sentimentality.
of a lack of imagination or basic humanity; the fact that it's difficult for me to feel deeply for people suffering unless
Watching Channel 7 news today (the Simpsons were in a commercial), they reported on a wad of dingbats who blocked access
to really concern yourself with, except in a somewhat general, theoretical way.
conflict.
chanting in his face and moved in front of him every time he tried to get around her.
I urge anyone in the bay area who has the time on the 16th to come as well and lend credence with your example to the
Please. I can't swing around a dead Saddam on a rope without hitting this argument these days. At bottom, it's a slippery
why she thought there weren't more stories about protests going on in the news, "Well, because the media is corporately
by both Instapundit and Cold Fury (and probably by sundry others by now):
For that reason and others, I didn't actually start reading the news coverage until this morning.
and you'll get diversity in the speech by the politician, in the one by the principal who welcomes him and in the one by
serves? As far as I can tell, all they did was take some people who were probably overwhelmingly against the war anyway,
Many in the global community also distrust the Bush administration's expanding war aims. It is not easy for our friends around
both at home and abroad, can go heartily fuck themselves, or jump off a cliff, or shoot themselves in the head. I don't
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sloth, or as an instrument to further the ends of despotism or anarchy.
You must be triple jointed to be able to twist words like that.
she can last 6 hours). I make this declaration keeping in mind that this does not imply a judgement on the Idiotarian
Either that, or I now have to admit the existence of clairvoyance.
One of the great advances of the modern era has been the spread of the rule of law. This is the now common idea that
of the mass moron movement.
A taste, just a taste...
vaunted proof of yours. Then you could be really sure.
I was already in a state of "moving on" and being "over it" before I even heard about the Bali attacks, with the result
My sentences, thus decreed, will be subsequently carried out by my elite brigade of Beheading Gnomes, whom I made up
lap dance.
So seeing as how we've got massive approval from the House of Representatives and similar support in the senate is likely,
lying in order to gain information that gave him access to restricted systems.
hunting dairy cows with a high-powered rifle and scope."
Hey, didn't there used to be a city where this smoking crater is?
that blatantly called for some rhetorical bitch-slapping.
Sure, it'd be nice to be a leader...
Don't you people ever get tired of just pulling shit out of your asses?
I'm going to be checking the weather channel for reports of snowflakes in Hell, but meanwhile you should go read it now.
vaunted proof of yours. Then you could be really sure.
Do you mean the Muslim world that celebrated 9/11, saying the US deserved it all along? Or perhaps you mean the Muslim world
Finally, long after the fad has grown tiresome, everyone's attention turns to another scrap of dogma for the next decade.
curiosity that trumps any sort of legal resriction placed on him, but it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that he's
occurred, smashing the window of their hotel room.
of fist.
To quote a boozed up, cynical and misanthropic individual whom I greatly admire: "Making fun of these people is like
act such as this. In a few days or weeks, I'm sure it will subside to a colder, more focused resolution to continue to
You try to make it seem as if the Joint Chiefs were lying around on a Sunday afternoon and said to themselves, "Yeah sure,
alternative economy." I suppose that's better PR than saying they want to impose a grab bag full of sociialistic silliness
Don't you people ever get tired of just pulling shit out of your asses?
that I hadn't thought of it first!
satisfy you. I'd be much more amendable to the idea however if you were willing to be a personal eye-witness to this
that extended anger and sadness bring, or maybe even from just the fact that my threshold of human suffering sufficient
My sentences, thus decreed, will be subsequently carried out by my elite brigade of Beheading Gnomes, whom I made up
cutting-edge performance art group impersonating real anti-war folks, as the whole ordeal seemed to approach parody. No,
democratically decided laws - - not the capriciousness of individual rulers -- should govern human affairs.
off a bunch of secretaries and other office workers who probably agree with them on the war anyway will further their
the way. Apparently that wasn't enough for the however, because they then started pulling at her legs to keep her from
But I am thankful that at least for now, I've been able to summon that deep-seated, personal wrath so appropriate to an
superiority.
but I hope to do that soon. I also hope to win the Nobel Prize in Kickboxing, and judge each of those things to be of
In theory, I was of course angry, but I had a vaguely detatched sense about the whole thing. A large part of that of
that I hadn't thought of it first!
Mr Mitnick even had to get permission from his probation officer to use a computer to write his book, The Art Of Deception,
I suppose you mean that it's not "multilateralist" unless France says so?
By tossing out any reasonable standards of evidence as a prerequisite for military action, the White House puts us in a state
When they aired some actual interviews with the protesters, I started to honestly think they were part of some sort of
be harried by idiots who have full compliments of heads and genitals! With the ranks of my imaginary gnomes rallied,
, "I don't believe the American people support this war. Everyone I've talked to is against it!"
conflict.
computer systems.
something-really-awfuls, BlogSpot.
But for now if you all don't mind, I'd just like to stew in my rage for a while, and remind myself in a truly visceral
going to be monitored so closely that I'd be surprised if he were able to put in a phony name at a porn site and not have
attack against the United States. Even though President Bush acknowledged in his speech that Iraq does not currently
President Bush says he wants to avoid "a future of fear." It's an admirable goal, but one hardly served by this new doctrine.
find testimonials to diversity. Flip through any recent social sciences or humanities textbook and diversity pops up with
that off my list of things to do. Now, on to learning how to square-dance."
It may be a sad illustration of my lack to find sympathy within myself without reading descriptions or seeing pictures,
both at home and abroad, can go heartily fuck themselves, or jump off a cliff, or shoot themselves in the head. I don't
to all of you warmongering neanderthals" tone of voice. She then struck a pose of righteous exasperation when she asked
conflict.
However, several of the exchanges I have had have definately been with those you might describe as "challeneged" in
Also, I've printed out and made a bunch of copies of some flyers from this site and will be passing them out.
psychopathic fancy without fear of retribution.
hacky-sack?"
off a bunch of secretaries and other office workers who probably agree with them on the war anyway will further their
again soon, didn't we?"
act such as this. In a few days or weeks, I'm sure it will subside to a colder, more focused resolution to continue to
serves? As far as I can tell, all they did was take some people who were probably overwhelmingly against the war anyway,
50 Ways to Leave Your Folly Common Dreams, that goldmine of general silliness, showcases this piece, The Folly of Pre-emptive
without end is causing traditional friends of the United States to
So seeing as how we've got massive approval from the House of Representatives and similar support in the senate is likely,
President Bush says he wants to avoid "a future of fear." It's an admirable goal, but one hardly served by this new doctrine.
(or to have their genitalia eviscerated by a rabid Rosie O'Donnell
Saddam will use these nukes when he gets them, whether that use takes the form of vaporizing a city or merely being hung
Many in the global community also distrust the Bush administration's expanding war aims. It is not easy for our friends around
care. Just don't let me hear anything about how this bombing that specifically targeted Australian civilians was somehow
owned," she pontificated, in that snotty "52% of my clothes are made of hemp which therefore makes me morally superior
Yes, well I suppose you're suggesting that we would be well-served to wait for this "final proof," then? Very well. I'll
the not-being-a-jerk department.
and you'll get diversity in the speech by the politician, in the one by the principal who welcomes him and in the one by
Either that, or I now have to admit the existence of clairvoyance.
One of the great advances of the modern era has been the spread of the rule of law. This is the now common idea that
I don't know about you people, but I'm already stocking up on extra food, water, and electrons.
getting an education. When she tried to talk to one of the organizers after her test about how some people were just
And at most, UN weapons inspectors have delayed conflict by a few years, not averted it. In actualyity, I think they have
Do you mean the Muslim world that celebrated 9/11, saying the US deserved it all along? Or perhaps you mean the Muslim world
The fact that this is being published in the Chronicle is no small feat. Even more reason for you to go read it.
the Feds know about it.
So seeing as how we've got massive approval from the House of Representatives and similar support in the senate is likely,
President Bush says he wants to avoid "a future of fear." It's an admirable goal, but one hardly served by this new doctrine.
getting an education. When she tried to talk to one of the organizers after her test about how some people were just
to prolonged indulgence in luxury and soft, effortless ease, or to the deification of a warped and twisted sentimentality.
the world to stomach the imperial scent of our newly enunciated military doctrine that proposes pre- emption of any powerful
nothing may stand in our way!
and the UC Divestment folks will be holding a rally for what looks like the primary purpose of protesting the fact that
weapons inspections in Iraq represent a good example of how the rule of law has been used, and can be used again, to avert
You must be triple jointed to be able to twist words like that.
Also, I've printed out and made a bunch of copies of some flyers from this site and will be passing them out.
Really, how often is someone able to so perfectly crystallize the dilemmas that will exist a century in the future
Falwell was a "mercenary and must be killed," the Farsi-language daily Abrar reported Saturday.
Now of course I'm sure that these open-toed folks have a flurry of perfectly well thought-out reasons as to why pissing
"A bunch of people died from terrorism over the weekend? Sure, that's awful, but we all knew this was going to happen
But I am thankful that at least for now, I've been able to summon that deep-seated, personal wrath so appropriate to an
serves? As far as I can tell, all they did was take some people who were probably overwhelmingly against the war anyway,
Many in the global community also distrust the Bush administration's expanding war aims. It is not easy for our friends around
that has the temerity to look at us cock-eyed.
It seems the Muslim version of a slander suit is cutting off your head. Now when I read this I was shocked, just shocked
sloth, or as an instrument to further the ends of despotism or anarchy.
The experience made me think of the instructions from all corners of the media after 9/11 that what we, as Americans,
(or to have their genitalia eviscerated by a rabid Rosie O'Donnell
who like to chant slogans and can't come up with any better rhyme than something that has to do with the number "four" and "war."
Replace "powerful" with "crazy and armed with nukes" and you'd be right. Otherwise, your statement is nonsense.
so that he will be better equipped to fulfill point 1). Show me another nation that's like that today.
"A bunch of people died from terrorism over the weekend? Sure, that's awful, but we all knew this was going to happen
we despise no less the coward and the voluptuary. No man is worth calling a man who will not fight
"What I found personally to be true was that it's easier to manipulate people rather than technology," he said.
My sentences, thus decreed, will be subsequently carried out by my elite brigade of Beheading Gnomes, whom I made up
go it alone. What he failed to do was tell us who the members of his war coalition are. Why? Because there is no coalition.
I simply love it when my case is made for me.
lying in order to gain information that gave him access to restricted systems.
In your face, Space Coyote!
without regard to whether the loss is due to the growth of a heartless and all-absorbing commercialism,
It may be a sad illustration of my lack to find sympathy within myself without reading descriptions or seeing pictures,
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why she thought there weren't more stories about protests going on in the news, "Well, because the media is corporately
of righteousness; and it becomes a very evil thing if it serves merely as a mask for cowardice and
However, several of the exchanges I have had have definately been with those you might describe as "challeneged" in
who has been deprived of food for at least 6 hours - sounds like an unusually cruel thing to do, I know, but I'm sure
over the heads of the world's nations as threat so that he can act willy-nilly in whatever new adventure captures his
it is shoved, in all its detailed horror, right into my face.
to the San Francisco federal building to protest the passage of Bush's resolution for action against Iraq.
I see. Did you talk to this "everyone" at your International Socialist Organization direct action planning seminar or
making a point of reading in depth about any such future atrocity to ensure that I don't allow myself to be instantly "over it."
he revealed himself to be a seriously dishonest debater (that, or he was so stupid that it wouldn't be safe for him to
one of the most fad-driven enterprises imaginable. It produces a new catechism each decade, which everyone dutifully recites.
Quite the contrary, Bush's aggressive rhetoric, disregard for international law, and his lack of any vision other than war
I simply love it when my case is made for me.
I've been blogging since July 2005, and in that time, I've had a few inter-blog arguments with the folks on the other
trying to get an education
support (in the small, mostly insignificant ways that are possible for one such as myself)
You try to make it seem as if the Joint Chiefs were lying around on a Sunday afternoon and said to themselves, "Yeah sure,
Why are you still here?!
join the majority of the world's nations in distancing themselves from Washington in a fashion not seen since the Vietnam War.
obviously they have lost loved ones or friends."
Eventually he got a little ticked off and said roughly, "Get away from me!" I was hungrily anticipating the energetic dissenter
Also, I've printed out and made a bunch of copies of some flyers from this site and will be passing them out.
By tossing out any reasonable standards of evidence as a prerequisite for military action, the White House puts us in a state
Iranian cleric Mohsen Mojtahed Shabestari, addressing weekly Friday prayers in the northwestern town of Tabriz, said
I don't know about you people, but I'm already stocking up on extra food, water, and electrons.
again soon, didn't we?"
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