Aug
09
09
Anti War, Anti-ANSWER
Via Tacitus (I say that a lot, don’t I? Thanks, Tac!), comes a pointer to the Daily Kos telling the ANSWER anti-war lackeys what they can go do with themselves. See, this is the stripe of person that should be organizing anti-war protests.
(or to have their genitalia eviscerated by a rabid Rosie O'DonnellHey, didn't there used to be a city where this smoking crater is?
Sorry folks, but slippery slope arguments don't hold water by themselves. We're going after Saddam because he 1) has shown
sloth, or as an instrument to further the ends of despotism or anarchy.
he revealed himself to be a seriously dishonest debater (that, or he was so stupid that it wouldn't be safe for him to
but they make up for any lack of actual existence with pure unadulterated enthusiasm.
when you apply your own internal calculus of death and suffering and conclude that it isn't something that you need
Diversity. More than motherhood, it is the one unassailable concept these days. Open any teaching publication, and you will
and make them wish that congress had instead passed a resolution authorizing military force against people
Another Australian tourist, 18-year-old Rachel Hughes, said she and her boyfriend had just arrived in Kuta when the blast
If and when you find one, that means that I'll be perfectly willing to advocate an attack against them as well.
You try to make it seem as if the Joint Chiefs were lying around on a Sunday afternoon and said to themselves, "Yeah sure,
join the majority of the world's nations in distancing themselves from Washington in a fashion not seen since the Vietnam War.
let you know when there's a mushroom cloud over New York, because that's the only "final proof" that seems to be able to
use grown-up scissors), but nevertheless, even though he really didn't deserve it,
of fist.
(or to have their genitalia eviscerated by a rabid Rosie O'Donnell
Either that, or I now have to admit the existence of clairvoyance.
After 3000 of your countrymen die in a couple hours, anything less than that is wont to be downplayed in significance
Now at this point, most people would just say, "let it go, and move on."
without regard to whether the loss is due to the growth of a heartless and all-absorbing commercialism,
Shiite Muslim clerics in Lebanon and Iran have reacted with rage at the Rev. Jerry Falwell for calling Islam's prophet
when you apply your own internal calculus of death and suffering and conclude that it isn't something that you need
that extended anger and sadness bring, or maybe even from just the fact that my threshold of human suffering sufficient
According to the president, "we cannot wait for the final proof" that Saddam Hussein's government is planning an imminent
information with your heads crammed so far up your asses, so I'll give you a pass.
who has been deprived of food for at least 6 hours - sounds like an unusually cruel thing to do, I know, but I'm sure
Please. I can't swing around a dead Saddam on a rope without hitting this argument these days. At bottom, it's a slippery
when you apply your own internal calculus of death and suffering and conclude that it isn't something that you need
hunting dairy cows with a high-powered rifle and scope."
the teacher trying to impress both of them.
slope proposition, claiming that because we go after Saddam, we'll suddenly be all aggro-ed up to obliterate any country
If and when you find one, that means that I'll be perfectly willing to advocate an attack against them as well.
For that reason and others, I didn't actually start reading the news coverage until this morning.
be replacing the old site that was hosted on that evil of evils, that bane of banes, that something-really-awful of
It is time for a new day to dawn in the Blogosphere, my gnome brothers. A glorious day. A day when no longer will we
The BBC has a story about the so-called "master hacker", in which it does a good job of destroying the mythos that
vulnerability.
I urge anyone in the bay area who has the time on the 16th to come as well and lend credence with your example to the
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I've been blogging since July 2005, and in that time, I've had a few inter-blog arguments with the folks on the other
The Muslim world -- whose support is vital to any real effort to end the causes of terrorism -- is adamantly opposed.
something-really-awfuls, BlogSpot.
agree that [insert additional badly-forced car metaphor here]!
has been built up around Mitnick, a basically curious guy who just as often used old face-to-face (or voice-to-voice)
You must be triple jointed to be able to twist words like that.
about equal probability.
I don't know about you people, but I'm already stocking up on extra food, water, and electrons.
again soon, didn't we?"
be replacing the old site that was hosted on that evil of evils, that bane of banes, that something-really-awful of
but they make up for any lack of actual existence with pure unadulterated enthusiasm.
to really concern yourself with, except in a somewhat general, theoretical way.
When they aired some actual interviews with the protesters, I started to honestly think they were part of some sort of
information with your heads crammed so far up your asses, so I'll give you a pass.
really just put Saddam in a better situation than he was before because the presence of inspectors invites complacency and
"approach parody" is too mild. They sprinted towards parody, jumped on top of it and proceded to give parody a spirited
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I guess not. The fact that the UN is anything but democratic since the vast majority of countries represented there do not
to prolonged indulgence in luxury and soft, effortless ease, or to the deification of a warped and twisted sentimentality.
"approach parody" is too mild. They sprinted towards parody, jumped on top of it and proceded to give parody a spirited
owned," she pontificated, in that snotty "52% of my clothes are made of hemp which therefore makes me morally superior
find testimonials to diversity. Flip through any recent social sciences or humanities textbook and diversity pops up with
"I said it's being taken care of, dammit. Mind your own business."
in words so much more exacting than even those who actually live in that time would be able to produce?
, "I don't believe the American people support this war. Everyone I've talked to is against it!"
trying to get an education
I urge anyone in the bay area who has the time on the 16th to come as well and lend credence with your example to the
rather than submit to infamy or see those that are dear to him suffer wrong.
in words so much more exacting than even those who actually live in that time would be able to produce?
some of their cohorts are actually being held accountable by the university for their disruptive, illegal actions at
I guess not. The fact that the UN is anything but democratic since the vast majority of countries represented there do not
to penetrate.
and the decisions to do so would based on (as in this case) measured calculations of the relative benefits and costs,
United States invade a distant country without any evidence of impending aggression.
rather than submit to infamy or see those that are dear to him suffer wrong.
The article also points to this site, which maintains a running clock of how long it will be until Mitnick can start
Another Australian tourist, 18-year-old Rachel Hughes, said she and her boyfriend had just arrived in Kuta when the blast
lying in order to gain information that gave him access to restricted systems.
he revealed himself to be a seriously dishonest debater (that, or he was so stupid that it wouldn't be safe for him to
So welcome. If this is the first and/or only post you can see, it means I haven't imported my archives from Blogspot yet,
to the San Francisco federal building to protest the passage of Bush's resolution for action against Iraq.
which is all about the biggest threat to the security of all companies: their own employees.
nuclear weapons. Containment was born out of a realization that we were effectively restrained by our lack of strategic
rivals.
I simply love it when my case is made for me.
satisfy you. I'd be much more amendable to the idea however if you were willing to be a personal eye-witness to this
Saddam is so hot to get his grubby hands on nukes is enough evidence of aggression. What's he going to do with them once
By tossing out any reasonable standards of evidence as a prerequisite for military action, the White House puts us in a state
when you apply your own internal calculus of death and suffering and conclude that it isn't something that you need
To quote a boozed up, cynical and misanthropic individual whom I greatly admire: "Making fun of these people is like
who has been deprived of food for at least 6 hours - sounds like an unusually cruel thing to do, I know, but I'm sure
United States invade a distant country without any evidence of impending aggression.
But for now if you all don't mind, I'd just like to stew in my rage for a while, and remind myself in a truly visceral
Such as this quote by Teddy Roosevelt concerning his acceptance of the Nobel Peace Prize, posted now
Whereas the Cold War doctrine of deterrence and containment rested on strength, the new idea of pre-emption insists on U.S.
that continues to characterize the US as the Great Satan and preach jihad against all things Western? Oh I know, the Muslim
Anyway, take the new site for a test drive. Take her easy on the clutch and go steady on the hills, and I think you'll
According to the president, "we cannot wait for the final proof" that Saddam Hussein's government is planning an imminent
The book details the ways that employees can inadvertently leak information that can be exploited by hackers to compromise
serves? As far as I can tell, all they did was take some people who were probably overwhelmingly against the war anyway,
Iranian cleric Mohsen Mojtahed Shabestari, addressing weekly Friday prayers in the northwestern town of Tabriz, said
occurred, smashing the window of their hotel room.
satisfy you. I'd be much more amendable to the idea however if you were willing to be a personal eye-witness to this
that blatantly called for some rhetorical bitch-slapping.
But it's not really fair to denigrate someone's ideas just because they themselves come from an organization riddled with
cause, but I,
to get a good smack upside the head (or as I call it, a "hippie hello"), but that was apparently too much for the niggardly
that blatantly called for some rhetorical bitch-slapping.
Meanwhile, the fact that we are able to use pre-emptive action when deemed necessary is a fact of our strength, not weakness
weapons inspections in Iraq represent a good example of how the rule of law has been used, and can be used again, to avert
No nation deserves to exist if it permits itself to lose the stern and virile virtues; and this
destroying the technological infrastructure of Western civilization again. And it's only 3 months away!
One middle-aged woman who looked like she hadn't combed her hair since Jerry Garcia died had this to say, when asked
I'm going to be checking the weather channel for reports of snowflakes in Hell, but meanwhile you should go read it now.
And at most, UN weapons inspectors have delayed conflict by a few years, not averted it. In actualyity, I think they have
I strongly suspect TR had access to some sort of time machine and traveled into the furture about a hundred years.
why she thought there weren't more stories about protests going on in the news, "Well, because the media is corporately
During that protest, my girlfriend had to take a midterm in Wheeler auditorium and had to step over the bodies lying in
And perhaps because of the collective weight of all those accumulated exhortations, perhaps from the psychic weariness
Heaven forfend them not being on board with us!
But it's not really fair to denigrate someone's ideas just because they themselves come from an organization riddled with
United States invade a distant country without any evidence of impending aggression.
to get a good smack upside the head (or as I call it, a "hippie hello"), but that was apparently too much for the niggardly
who like to chant slogans and can't come up with any better rhyme than something that has to do with the number "four" and "war."
Iranian cleric Mohsen Mojtahed Shabestari, addressing weekly Friday prayers in the northwestern town of Tabriz, said
, "I don't believe the American people support this war. Everyone I've talked to is against it!"
predictable frequency. Follow a politician to a school photo-op,
on the civilized world. And when I resort again to that frame of mind, it will be because I realize, intellectually and
the not-being-a-jerk department.
I have to admit I'm pretty curious just to see what he's going to do. The guy has shown himself to have an overpowering
I strongly suspect TR had access to some sort of time machine and traveled into the furture about a hundred years.
be replacing the old site that was hosted on that evil of evils, that bane of banes, that something-really-awful of
the teacher trying to impress both of them.
why she thought there weren't more stories about protests going on in the news, "Well, because the media is corporately
you could see stink lines of self-satisfaction coming off her so that he could simply get to his job. She of course started
be replacing the old site that was hosted on that evil of evils, that bane of banes, that something-really-awful of
that has the temerity to look at us cock-eyed.
alternative economy." I suppose that's better PR than saying they want to impose a grab bag full of sociialistic silliness
To quote a boozed up, cynical and misanthropic individual whom I greatly admire: "Making fun of these people is like
I guess not. The fact that the UN is anything but democratic since the vast majority of countries represented there do not
My sentences, thus decreed, will be subsequently carried out by my elite brigade of Beheading Gnomes, whom I made up
the Feds know about it.
conflict.
assures everyone that "Don't worry, the problem is being taking care of by the inspectors."
I was already in a state of "moving on" and being "over it" before I even heard about the Bali attacks, with the result
You mean everyone in America aren't like San Franciscans?
Maybe I can't change the fact that I have to be intimately confronted with the death and pain in order to really feel the
Those people are especially useful when they have access to the core computer systems that hackers would otherwise struggle
alternative economy." I suppose that's better PR than saying they want to impose a grab bag full of sociialistic silliness
At the very least, don't let me hear any of these things when you're standing in my presence, unless you want a faceful
needed now was healing, closure; in short, to "get over it" and "move on."
My sentences, thus decreed, will be subsequently carried out by my elite brigade of Beheading Gnomes, whom I made up
In theory, I was of course angry, but I had a vaguely detatched sense about the whole thing. A large part of that of
I'm going to be checking the weather channel for reports of snowflakes in Hell, but meanwhile you should go read it now.
And exactly how do you go from no "final proof" to there being no evidence of impending aggression? The very fact that
who like to chant slogans and can't come up with any better rhyme than something that has to do with the number "four" and "war."
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weapons inspections in Iraq represent a good example of how the rule of law has been used, and can be used again, to avert
without regard to whether the loss is due to the growth of a heartless and all-absorbing commercialism,
Many in the global community also distrust the Bush administration's expanding war aims. It is not easy for our friends around
attack against the United States. Even though President Bush acknowledged in his speech that Iraq does not currently
Whereas the Cold War doctrine of deterrence and containment rested on strength, the new idea of pre-emption insists on U.S.
he revealed himself to be a seriously dishonest debater (that, or he was so stupid that it wouldn't be safe for him to
to make the first world poor and make sure the third world stays that way.
has been built up around Mitnick, a basically curious guy who just as often used old face-to-face (or voice-to-voice)
In your face, Space Coyote!
My sentences, thus decreed, will be subsequently carried out by my elite brigade of Beheading Gnomes, whom I made up
to really concern yourself with, except in a somewhat general, theoretical way.
Why are you still here?!
a careful, precise argument, what point is there in engaging them verbally anymore?
Saddam is so hot to get his grubby hands on nukes is enough evidence of aggression. What's he going to do with them once
rivals.
According to the president, "we cannot wait for the final proof" that Saddam Hussein's government is planning an imminent
"to prolonged indulgence in luxury and soft, effortless ease, or to the deification of a warped and twisted sentimentality"?
both at home and abroad, can go heartily fuck themselves, or jump off a cliff, or shoot themselves in the head. I don't
the All Men Are Rapists self defense workshop? Surely that must be a representative sample of the country!
I'll get a chance to ask why they've been glorifying images of Hamas murderers on their flyers.
But for now if you all don't mind, I'd just like to stew in my rage for a while, and remind myself in a truly visceral
Don't you people ever get tired of just pulling shit out of your asses?
Well I'm far far far too petty a person to do that.
Hey, didn't there used to be a city where this smoking crater is?
Really, how often is someone able to so perfectly crystallize the dilemmas that will exist a century in the future
again soon, didn't we?"
she can last 6 hours). I make this declaration keeping in mind that this does not imply a judgement on the Idiotarian
go it alone. What he failed to do was tell us who the members of his war coalition are. Why? Because there is no coalition.
that I hadn't thought of it first!
But I am thankful that at least for now, I've been able to summon that deep-seated, personal wrath so appropriate to an
Saddam will use these nukes when he gets them, whether that use takes the form of vaporizing a city or merely being hung
going to be monitored so closely that I'd be surprised if he were able to put in a phony name at a porn site and not have
, "I don't believe the American people support this war. Everyone I've talked to is against it!"
predictable frequency. Follow a politician to a school photo-op,
Either that, or I now have to admit the existence of clairvoyance.
going to be monitored so closely that I'd be surprised if he were able to put in a phony name at a porn site and not have
I mean come on, when you're arguing with someone who's just going to call you a Nazi when you spend 2,000 words making
without regard to whether the loss is due to the growth of a heartless and all-absorbing commercialism,
When they aired some actual interviews with the protesters, I started to honestly think they were part of some sort of
"The death of that man is a religious duty, but his case should not be tied to the Christian community," Shabestari,
a careful, precise argument, what point is there in engaging them verbally anymore?
who has been deprived of food for at least 6 hours - sounds like an unusually cruel thing to do, I know, but I'm sure
Please. I can't swing around a dead Saddam on a rope without hitting this argument these days. At bottom, it's a slippery
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getting an education. When she tried to talk to one of the organizers after her test about how some people were just
Hey, didn't there used to be a city where this smoking crater is?
way why we're doing all of this, and why, if they still choose to berate us about "root causes" and "birds coming home
some of their cohorts are actually being held accountable by the university for their disruptive, illegal actions at
Well I'm far far far too petty a person to do that.
If a good education is meant to produce independent thinkers, I've seen precious little evidence it does. Education is
Quite the contrary, Bush's aggressive rhetoric, disregard for international law, and his lack of any vision other than war
obviously they have lost loved ones or friends."
about equal probability.
Wheeler Hall last spring.
predictable frequency. Follow a politician to a school photo-op,
morally, that this is the right thing to do.
course grew out of the experience of 9/11.
again soon, didn't we?"
The Muslim world -- whose support is vital to any real effort to end the causes of terrorism -- is adamantly opposed.
just now. Admittedly they do face significant challenges in carrying out their duties due to their imaginary nature,
join the majority of the world's nations in distancing themselves from Washington in a fashion not seen since the Vietnam War.
Well, being the abject conformist that I am, I would like to welcome all new and oldcomers to my new blog, which will
in words so much more exacting than even those who actually live in that time would be able to produce?
It seems the Muslim version of a slander suit is cutting off your head. Now when I read this I was shocked, just shocked
we despise no less the coward and the voluptuary. No man is worth calling a man who will not fight
destroying the technological infrastructure of Western civilization again. And it's only 3 months away!
I have to admit I'm pretty curious just to see what he's going to do. The guy has shown himself to have an overpowering
"Standing in the foyer of the Bounty Hotel, people were just walking in, blood dripping off them, burns to their face, skin
rather than submit to infamy or see those that are dear to him suffer wrong.
When they aired some actual interviews with the protesters, I started to honestly think they were part of some sort of
economic stupidity, especially when their ideas would do such a better job of it by themselves. Case in point:
side of the political spectrum... what are they called?
he revealed himself to be a seriously dishonest debater (that, or he was so stupid that it wouldn't be safe for him to
War, by three fellows that hail from Global Exchange. You know who I'm talking about. The folks that want to "build an
I don't know about you people, but I'm already stocking up on extra food, water, and electrons.
The experience made me think of the instructions from all corners of the media after 9/11 that what we, as Americans,
who has been deprived of food for at least 6 hours - sounds like an unusually cruel thing to do, I know, but I'm sure
Really, how often is someone able to so perfectly crystallize the dilemmas that will exist a century in the future
It seems the Muslim version of a slander suit is cutting off your head. Now when I read this I was shocked, just shocked
Diversity. More than motherhood, it is the one unassailable concept these days. Open any teaching publication, and you will
on the civilized world. And when I resort again to that frame of mind, it will be because I realize, intellectually and
Quite the contrary, Bush's aggressive rhetoric, disregard for international law, and his lack of any vision other than war
Already, even if the UN thumbs its irrelevant nose at the idea of going after Iraq (and if it actually does, then they'll
I suppose you mean that it's not "multilateralist" unless France says so?
I urge anyone in the bay area who has the time on the 16th to come as well and lend credence with your example to the
to roost," those sniveling, carping appeasers,
only be revealed as more useless than it already seems), there is right now a coalition prepared to go into Iraq with the
needed now was healing, closure; in short, to "get over it" and "move on."
My sentences, thus decreed, will be subsequently carried out by my elite brigade of Beheading Gnomes, whom I made up
After 3000 of your countrymen die in a couple hours, anything less than that is wont to be downplayed in significance
conflict.
No nation deserves to exist if it permits itself to lose the stern and virile virtues; and this
United States invade a distant country without any evidence of impending aggression.
I urge anyone in the bay area who has the time on the 16th to come as well and lend credence with your example to the
the Feds know about it.
of righteousness; and it becomes a very evil thing if it serves merely as a mask for cowardice and
Containment and deterrence were responses to US weakness, you silly-headed dunderpate. It was obvious that using direct
but they make up for any lack of actual existence with pure unadulterated enthusiasm.
Stand up to these thugs This Wednesday, the 16th at noon, an apparent composite of the Students for Justice in Palestine
rather than submit to infamy or see those that are dear to him suffer wrong.
You try to make it seem as if the Joint Chiefs were lying around on a Sunday afternoon and said to themselves, "Yeah sure,
I don't know about you people, but I'm already stocking up on extra food, water, and electrons.
the All Men Are Rapists self defense workshop? Surely that must be a representative sample of the country!
without regard to whether the loss is due to the growth of a heartless and all-absorbing commercialism,
a terrorist and an envoy of Iran's supreme leader reportedly called for his death.
threaten the United States, he said we must "assume the worst." Essentially, the White House is proposing that the
However, several of the exchanges I have had have definately been with those you might describe as "challeneged" in
So welcome. If this is the first and/or only post you can see, it means I haven't imported my archives from Blogspot yet,
both at home and abroad, can go heartily fuck themselves, or jump off a cliff, or shoot themselves in the head. I don't
During that protest, my girlfriend had to take a midterm in Wheeler auditorium and had to step over the bodies lying in
predictable frequency. Follow a politician to a school photo-op,
psychopathic fancy without fear of retribution.
a representative of Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, was quoted as saying.
satisfy you. I'd be much more amendable to the idea however if you were willing to be a personal eye-witness to this
use grown-up scissors), but nevertheless, even though he really didn't deserve it,
Anyway, take the new site for a test drive. Take her easy on the clutch and go steady on the hills, and I think you'll
The BBC has a story about the so-called "master hacker", in which it does a good job of destroying the mythos that
"The lethal combination is when you exploit both people and technology," Mr Mitnick told BBC News Online.
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so that he will be better equipped to fulfill point 1). Show me another nation that's like that today.
Diversity. More than motherhood, it is the one unassailable concept these days. Open any teaching publication, and you will
who has been deprived of food for at least 6 hours - sounds like an unusually cruel thing to do, I know, but I'm sure
When I first heard about the bombing in Bali, my initial reaction was, "Another terrorist attack? Well, of course."
I'm going to be checking the weather channel for reports of snowflakes in Hell, but meanwhile you should go read it now.
vulnerability.
morally, that this is the right thing to do.
when you apply your own internal calculus of death and suffering and conclude that it isn't something that you need
Well I'm far far far too petty a person to do that.
Hey, didn't there used to be a city where this smoking crater is?
in words so much more exacting than even those who actually live in that time would be able to produce?
when you apply your own internal calculus of death and suffering and conclude that it isn't something that you need
hunting dairy cows with a high-powered rifle and scope."
If a good education is meant to produce independent thinkers, I've seen precious little evidence it does. Education is
support (in the small, mostly insignificant ways that are possible for one such as myself)
I mean come on, when you're arguing with someone who's just going to call you a Nazi when you spend 2,000 words making
to elicit empathy had been raised considerably since 9/11,
The Muslim world -- whose support is vital to any real effort to end the causes of terrorism -- is adamantly opposed.
I wish that I could just be told "Hundreds of people died in a terrorist bombing today," and instantly feel the kind of rage
side of the political spectrum... what are they called?
Containment and deterrence were responses to US weakness, you silly-headed dunderpate. It was obvious that using direct
to elicit empathy had been raised considerably since 9/11,
slope proposition, claiming that because we go after Saddam, we'll suddenly be all aggro-ed up to obliterate any country
Wheeler Hall last spring.
find testimonials to diversity. Flip through any recent social sciences or humanities textbook and diversity pops up with
I strongly suspect TR had access to some sort of time machine and traveled into the furture about a hundred years.
Falwell was a "mercenary and must be killed," the Farsi-language daily Abrar reported Saturday.
coming off them. It was really a terrible sight," she said. "You could just hear people crying up in the Bounty foyer -
news editors of Cannel 7 to allow, as the segment ended right there.
of a lack of imagination or basic humanity; the fact that it's difficult for me to feel deeply for people suffering unless
...but there's no shame in being a follower when those you're following make such damn good points.
In fact, the idea of pre- emptive attack depends on fear. It presupposes insecurity and assumes we will always be threatened.
I'll get a chance to ask why they've been glorifying images of Hamas murderers on their flyers.
but they make up for any lack of actual existence with pure unadulterated enthusiasm.
Already, even if the UN thumbs its irrelevant nose at the idea of going after Iraq (and if it actually does, then they'll
getting an education. When she tried to talk to one of the organizers after her test about how some people were just
the teacher trying to impress both of them.
slope proposition, claiming that because we go after Saddam, we'll suddenly be all aggro-ed up to obliterate any country
to really concern yourself with, except in a somewhat general, theoretical way.
and that it wasn't fair for these people to stop them, the girl started literally screaming at her about selfish she was.
on the civilized world. And when I resort again to that frame of mind, it will be because I realize, intellectually and
If and when you find one, that means that I'll be perfectly willing to advocate an attack against them as well.
But I am thankful that at least for now, I've been able to summon that deep-seated, personal wrath so appropriate to an
You try to make it seem as if the Joint Chiefs were lying around on a Sunday afternoon and said to themselves, "Yeah sure,
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